MEETING OF NOV 15, 2016. VOL. 55, NO. 4
ATTENDANCE: 26 members & 1 guest (Alexander S.)
OPENING DISCUSSION: The meeting was brought to order at 7:45PM by Mike J, who welcomed our newest member, Mr. Alexander S. of Pierrefonds, who is a web master and was referred to us by Tom B. There is a possibility Alex can help us with a website or Facebook page. We also welcomed back Mr. Augustin P. of Pointe Claire who joined the club last year but was unable to attend meetings. We hope to see more of him this year. Since our “Bourse Night” was well underway and everyone was enthusiastic to get going, Mike wished everyone a good holiday/xmas and reminded us there is no meeting in December.
BREAK: coffee, tea, juice and cookies provided by David L.
MEETING CONTENT: “Bourse Night”
Fred T. and I were looking at a photo of LCC members taken in 1987 and Fred suggested that we take a photo of our club members each September, perhaps in front of Stewart Hall, and record everyone’s name. We will discuss this at the next executive meeting but it does sound like a great idea. The photo will be stored in the club archives in the library…and hopefully future generations will remember us!
Quite a few members brought coins, books and bills to sell and there were plenty of buyers. I was thrilled to be able to buy a 1984 Cdn Specimen set with the Toronto 150th .500 silver dollar, 2 gem-UNC Canada $10 bills (1989 and 2001) with matching serial numbers, and 7 UNC 3-pence coins dated 1960-1966. David L. found 2 new horse coins, one dated 1791. Jean T. found about 30 Cdn coins on her wish list. The evening was a great success, a definite do-over!
Jason C, our Club Librarian, brought down a box of surplus books and pamphlets to sell or give away. Several items were sold with proceeds to the club. He also lent out two books from the library this month and will soon he will be ready to lend books to any member in good standing. In the next few weeks a new library catalog will be distributed via email to all members and a new lending form and tracking system will be created.
RAFFLE: A 1960 RCM PL set worth $65 was won by Yeudiel; ticket sales were $116 and the club profit was $81. Thanks to Zach J. for selling so many tickets, apparently he broke the old record!
NEXT MEETING DATE: JANUARY 17, 2017 at 7:00 p.m.
REMINDER: no meeting in December; have a good / safe holiday!
MEETING OF OCTOBER 18, 2016. VOL. 55, NO. 3 PAGE 1/2
ATTENDANCE: 22 members & 2 guests, who both joined
BARRY’S BUDGET: $2798 / 45 active members. Barry attended the delegate’s breakfast at the CNA and learned that coin clubs are providing much more online content and articles, coins are selling online and there is a LOT of information and material available and a lot more is coming to the internet.
OPENING DISCUSSION: The meeting was brought to order at 7:40PM by Mike J, who is making good use of the club’s new gavel! Mike welcomed two new members, Ron G. and Charles E. to the club.
The current issue of the CNA journal contains not one but TWO articles submitted by club members Jason C. and Barry U.
Doug Robins, a great Canadian numismatist, recently passed away. He was a long-time dealer and collector of Canadian tokens. His
knowledge of varieties was enormous. He was also the owner of the 1911 Canadian silver dollar in the 1970's. Until the last few years he was active at CNA Conventions.
BREAK: coffee, tea, juice and cookies provided by David. Please leave a few coins in the dish for the club!
MEETING CONTENT: Our Education Director, Jacob L. has learned of a fascinating scandal on the popular online forum “coin community friends”. Apparently, ICCS graded and certified a 1914 Cdn 10¢ with the wrong obverse (Edward VII when it should be George V)…and since they didn’t realize the coin is an obvious counterfeit, their reputation has taken a serious hit. The forum topic is now 14 pages long, but worth the read, as some of the most experienced Cdn collectors are involved and there are excellent photos. If you jump to Page 5 of the thread there are two photos that would prove they're creating dies from high quality images and therefore are using 3d metal printed dies.
Here is a link to this forum subject:
The implication of this is that soon counterfeits could be so well made and authentic-looking that even third party grading - certification services will not see the difference. Coin “pedigree” will be more important than ever. Thank you, Jacob for raising the topic at the meeting.
Barry U., our club Treasurer, gave his presentation on “The Canadian Aluminum Quarter”, based on private information he obtained from a retired Alcan employee who was sworn to secrecy on the subject. Apparently, Alcan made a series of aluminum trial coins for the RCM in Kingston during the 1980’s. The trial pieces came in five colours (each denomination was intended to have a different colour) and weighed only 1.7g versus the normal 5.07g for a pure nickel quarter at the time. The coins were smooth on both sides and were not engraved or stamped in a press but were intended to be ink-jetted with the Queen’s image, denomination, year, etc.
During testing, it was found that the colour coatings came off too easily and the coins were too light for vending machines. Aluminum dimes would weigh only a few grams and would require much more sensitive vending machines and pay phones, so the whole project was scrapped and most of the samples were destroyed. However, Barry’s friend held onto his “top secret” set of quarters...and only recently felt it was safe to show them to Barry and reveal the secret! Thanks, Barry for sharing this with the club.
The 75th Anniversary of the Battle of the Atlantic $2 coin is now available with the following story copied from the RCM website: “The Battle of the Atlantic raged for six arduous years, from the earliest days of the Second World War to the final hours of the conflict in Europe. Sir Winston Churchill called it “the dominating factor all through the war.”
Sailors in both the Royal Canadian Navy and Canada’s Merchant Navy played an indispensable role in this battle, aided from the sky by the Royal Canadian Air Force. They transported, and defended, Canadian men and women, and vital supplies, across the treacherous North Atlantic.Thousands of Canadians gave their lives in what would become the longest battle of the entire Second World War—all to ensure vital troops and provisions continued to reach Great Britain and Europe.
Victory was hard-won. In the first years of the war, German “wolf packs”—groups of ship-hunting submarines, or U-boats—took a devastating toll on Allied ships, sinking hundreds. Some attacks took place within view of Canada’s East Coast, and U-boats were even operated in the St. Lawrence River.
Our country responded by expanding its navy from less than a dozen ocean-going ships to more than 250, and from 3,500 personnel to more than 100,000. Our shipyards clanged with frenzied production, churning out hundreds of ships and thousands of landing craft during the war’s final four years.
Canada’s vital contribution and the bravery and skill of her sailors earned Rear Admiral Leonard Murray the role of leading the Allies’ endeavours in the Northwest Atlantic from 1943 to the end of the war. It was the only time during the Second World War that a Canadian held such a command.
The central image of the coin design—a sailor aboard a Canadian warship—is accompanied by the depiction of two other Canadian vessels in the distance while a Bristol Beaufighter flies overhead. A watchful sailor presses his eye to the viewfinder of his anti-aircraft gun, scanning the skies for threats while unforgiving seas roll by below.”
Work continues on the club Library and Jason hopes he will finish the initial sortation and re-organization on Nov 15 so that he can begin entering the catalogue in his spreadsheet.
RAFFLE: 2009 RCM Specimen set worth $60 was won by Mark B. Club profit was $70.
NEXT MEETING DATE: NOV 15 at 7:00 p.m. (but you can arrive early if you want)
REMINDER: Its BOURSE NIGHT so bring your stuff to sell or trade and bring cash to buy! We will need extension cords and lights; if you can bring them please do so.
MEETING OF SEPT 20, 2016. VOL. 55, NO. 2.
ATTENDANCE: 28 members & 2 guests including one new member
BARRY’S BUDGET: $2506.26 in the bank. 52 members. Dues are due! Barry reminds all members that anyone can buy, sell or trade numismatic materials for up to one hour prior to the meetings. We can use the meeting room as of 7:00PM or even earlier if needed!
OPENING DISCUSSION: The meeting was brought to order at 8:00 PM by Mike J, who welcomed our newest member TERRY P. of Pointe-Claire who was referred to us by Daniel L. Also a warm welcome to our other guest, Ron. Mike introduced the club’s newly elected executives, who have a two-year mandate.
Marilyn and Les Blatchford presented a gavel to the club which they had engraved “Donated to the Lakeshore Coin Club, in the interests of keeping tranquility and good order at monthly meetings” …a very nice gesture on their part, thanks from the club!
RIP BUNNY TURNER
Mike J announced that our founding member, Bunny Turner, recently passed away. The club would not exist without Bunny and her husband Pat’s initiatives and hard work over 50 years ago; and their support over SIX decades has kept the club active and thriving.
Bunny’s daughter, Kim sent me this email:
“Hi Michael, I wanted to let the coin club members know that my mom, Bunny Turner, passed away suddenly on Saturday Sept 17.She was extremely proud of her connections with the Lakeshore Coin Club.
Could you pass this on to anyone who may have known her, or known of her?
To which I replied on behalf of the club:
Please accept my sincere condolences on behalf of the club, we learned of her passing earlier today and Michael Joffre, our president, who met with Bunny and Pat last year at the Coin Convention in Halifax, will be making a special announcement to the club at our meeting tomorrow.
I have attached a photo of Mike Joffre, Bunny and Pat that we published in our newsletter.
All of the members recall your mother's sending of a roll of mint condition, shiny red 1962 pennies to hand out at our banquet in honour of our 50th anniversary a few years ago, so we all felt a personal connection with your mother.
Please feel welcome to visit us anytime in the future at our meetings in Pointe Claire if you would like to see your mother's legacy!
Mike A. (Executive Secretary)”
Mike J. reviewed the agenda for club meetings for the upcoming year and announced that Chris Faulkner, noted historian and distinguished research Professor at Carlton University in Ottawa, and who was also a junior member of our club in the 1970’s, has recently completed his latest book on ‘The tokens of Upper Canada issued between 1815 and 1841’ and is working on a book on ‘Ships, Colonies and Commerce tokens’.
Mike A announced that work has started on the re-organizing and cataloguing of the club’s library and archives. Our new Librarian, Jason C. has decided to use ‘banker’s boxes’ to store and preserve the collection. The new on-line digital catalog (in MS-Excel) that Jason is working on will be made available to all members. If a member wishes to borrow a book, it can be quickly located by using its ‘Box Number’, which will enable us and future generations to find books and archives in the club’s storage locker on the second floor of Stewart Hall. At present we have twelve Banker’s Boxes containing over a thousand items in the library. Jason will be conducting tours of the library in 2017 for interested members and giving a special presentation in January.
Mike A and Marilyn B brought in their metal detecting finds for the summer. They recently discovered a new location for metal detecting and found quite a hoard of coins and jewelry! If anyone is interested, there is a metal detecting series on Netflix called “The Detectorists” about two guys in Britain searching, but never quite finding their hoard of gold.
Mike A asked for a volunteer to help fine tune the club’s Facebook page to make it more accessible. If anyone knows someone who can do this please see me.
Barry U announced that he attended the CNA Convention in Ottawa this summer and brought some of his medals and woods to show. LCC attendance was low but he is hoping many of us will attend next year’s convention in Boucherville, assuming we have a bridge to get there! Car pools would work well. We could also use a volunteer to help organize the club’s attendance, arrange car pools, get the seminar schedules, find out the costs, etc.
BREAK: coffee, tea, juice and cookies provided by David L. Please leave a few coins in the dish for the club!
David also brought a card of condolences to the meeting which was signed and sent to the Turners.
Our third “Internet Night” featured a look at internet sites not previously shown by Mike J. and Mike A. Jacob L. works for Heritage Coins as a cataloguer in Montreal and as such he uses the internet in all aspects of his work. Some of these sites previously required the user to register or even pay up to $300 (for PCGS) but all are now open to the public. The incredible PCGS site has high resolution images of every coin sold at auction, the selling price, full history and provenance of every coin. E-Sylum is a weekly numismatic newsletter published since 1998. The Newman Numismatic Portal (NNP) plans to digitize (i.e. scan every page) of ALL the numismatic literature(!).
Here is the list of websites from Jacob L’s presentation. As usual, these are hot links, meaning you can press Ctrl+Click to open the link on your browser...
Books and References
US Coin Attribution
This site has all the five cent varieties :
Thank you, Jacob for sharing these fantastic resources with the club!
Jacob’s ‘two cents worth’-The Coins and Paper Money of 1967:
The year 1967 represented the centennial of Canadian Confederation, and coins and banknotes were issued to mark the occasion. Many people obtained these items as souvenirs or for investment purposes. Consequently, they are among the most frequently encountered items in the industry. The coins of 1967 are unusual in that they depict Canadian animals like the goose (silver dollar), wolf (half dollar), and rabbit (nickel) and are popular among all sorts of collectors, including those just starting out and those who were inspired to start collecting many years ago.
So what are the coins and banknotes of 1967 worth? Well, the "1867 - 1967" bills typically realize only a small premium over face value if in uncirculated condition. Examples with any creases or bends, no matter how slight, are worth only one dollar and may be spent as such.
The pennies and nickels often have tremendous sentimental value for the memories they conjure up, but they are worth only face value in today's marketplace.
Dimes, quarters, half dollars, and dollars are made of silver, so they are worth their precious metal content. Complete uncirculated or prooflike sets (I'll cover prooflike sets in a later entry) are worth a bit more to collectors.
The only coin that carries any tremendous value is the $20 gold coin bearing the arms of Canada. That coin was issued in boxes with the other decimal coinage, and contains a little over a half-ounce of gold.
If you have any of these coins and would like some more information, you can reach me at firstname.lastname@example.org [edited from original newsletter to reflect change in email address].
(Reprinted with permission from Jacob’s website)
RAFFLE: A 2016 Charlton Catalogue was won by Donald Coté. Donald was absent from meetings earlier this year due to the passing of his wife. Cher Donald: le club vous offre tous nos condoléances et sympathies.
Mike A. (sect).
NEXT MEETING DATE: OCTOBER 18 at 7:00 p.m.
REMINDER: at the next meeting Barry U will present ‘The Canadian Aluminum 25¢’.